In other news, Skiddle host the boutique at sankeys in Manchester on July 12th.

"Jamie is as good a dj as anyone in the region, he's been doing it years and i can remember the Perfect days when he used to rock Legends almost 10 years ago."

I remember it well Mike - was that 10yr ago?? Christ I feel old now...

In other news, Skiddle host the boutique at sankeys in Manchester on July 12th.

HMMMM Interesting

Foggy, you don't do 100hr weeks, you're a Trackman, give over eh!!!

;-)

This thread has gone on for a long time. Therefore the interset in Statik is defo there. I think you should just stick at it Gaz. I like Spirit as a venue and with the sound system you guys install only makes it better. Jamie is as good a dj as anyone in the region, he's been doing it years and i can remember the Perfect days when he used to rock Legends almost 10 years ago.

Set your goals low then you won't be as disapointed if things go tits up now and again. It takes time to build up a reputation. It's not gonna happen over night. Realisticly i think if you get 100 people in regularly you could have a good party once a month, then build on that.

Good words Michael.....Couldn't agree more!

The strenght of this thread shows it alone, i wanted the 100th reply...

Gaz, im going to be blunt. I have just found your flyer on ryans myspace, which if i was your average jo househead looking for a night in carlisle, I wouldnt think to go there

Apart from looking a bit cheaply designed, the wording orginal techno gangsters aint gonna help no one.

And dont take my design image the wrong way, its just you have a big picture of a mixer and some cheap fonts. Mixers on flyers often make your night look elite, and design, fonts, layouts the lot really affect peoples perceptions of a night. Get a proper designer to do you a flyer, even if its a base you can overlay each month should you so please, honestly years of experience are talking here.

looooool,a few things,the flyers i thought look good,better when u have one in front of you instead of an image,the wording orginal techno gansters we got asked to put on by N-JOIs agent which i thought a bit odd due to their house set,and us being a house night,this is them probs milking the old style of N-joi,however it may have brought a few in which it didnt.so yes i was wrong.

Designer is someone you know so imm not going to be slagging lol as he has done us well,and does this when he is making a wage for himself and takes no payment of me and imm bothering him all the time for deadines so cant fault his efforts imm affraid.

This design had been changed three times and i really was happy with the end product.

Its still a learning curve all this promoter larky to me as ive only really been a DJ for 20 years and not delved into the promo side very much for that reason as it becomes a chore and takes away a lot of the fun of djing when things go wrong,all i ever wanted to do was dj but this has to be done if i want a night of my own so i cant really complain.one thing i do enjoy about being a promoter is my production of sound and lighting which i do enjoy setting up and creating something thats looks and sounds good.

so any good advice keep firing away imm all ears.

Gaz.

Sound and lighting is an important thing, but if you haven't got people through to to door to see it then there's only so much you can enjoy?

Look at the UBer flyers. They are colourful, brash and get your attention, so people are more likely to pick them up and read them or even collect them, and that can be a massive selling point. Skiddle have had a lot of shit flyers (im responsible for that) but we've also had some really effective ones, I just think there could be one more suited for your event.

Sound and lighting is an important thing, but if you haven't got people through to to door to see it then there's only so much you can enjoy?

Look at the UBer flyers. They are colourful, brash and get your attention, so people are more likely to pick them up and read them or even collect them, and that can be a massive selling point. Skiddle have had a lot of shit flyers (im responsible for that) but we've also had some really effective ones, I just think there could be one more suited for your event.

Fuck me - Peter Saville has spoken!

yeah look at the original shoom flyers. fucking brilliant, and i have the complete factory records graphic design book. The art work was nearly as good as the music.

Gaz, i'm sorry if I took the comment from ki about the night in the wrong context. We should still do a big fuck off party with everyone thought. fill the bit and have a good do.

Rich sorry i missed your call tonight. I'll ring you tomorrow (today even!) As i've had a bad night.

I don't understand the criticism of the Flyers here...

Surely they've been done to the Customer (Gaz) Spec? So its hardly the Designer (Not me btw!) fault?

And the customer has said he's more than happy with them?

One little point, Carlisle has never really been a Poster/Flyer town...

interesting post,oh by the way its my birthday today the ripe old age of 36 lol,i think the trouble is at this age,we are the ones who have been into dance music as whole since it was invented and do know our music from the 20 year olds who think they know the scene and they have no idea what it is really is about.

This comes onto a another factor when you try to educate the crowd into your music some dont like it as ur playing totally new cutting edge music and they havnt heard it before has its probems.

Not being big headed here but me and jamie get told a lot that we are wasted here in carlisle.

Funding statik has been hard with our own hard earned money,but i wont flogg a dead horse untill i know its not gonna work.

Gaz....

wasted in your home city? Maybe arrogance is creeping in, Your not the only one who understands house music, House music is something that can be felt, not worn.

I had a brilliant night at spirit last night in carlisle. Jus what the quack ordered. The guys who put the partys on there should hold there heads up high, Music was awesome and great production. Just a shame father van lierop and his cronies thought they owned the bit.

For a start, the demonstrating on the Criminal Justice Bill didn't work, and the legislation itself wasn't just about raves, it was also the means in which the Conservative government sought to suppress the movements of 'New Age Travellers'.

The Criminal Justice Bill is the EXACT reason the raves turned into a culture of mass commercialism and superclubs, it's certainly not the other way round.

Also, just to be pedantic, the yanks don't class all house as techno, they seem to class all forms of electronic music as 'techno'.
Besides which, the lines between techno and house have been blurred since the shift from the more organic strains U.S Garage/Funky House have made way to the more electronic forms of 4/4 orientated dance music such as the incredibly shit 'electro-house' movement.

Let's face it, House/Techno music hit the British shores two to three years after its birth in Chicago and Detroit, but before that you had Disco, Hip Hop, Funk, Soul, Reggae and a whole heap of other dance music styles.

So Gaz, to say that you've been into dance music since it was invented, therefore, other people have no idea what it's about is an absolute load of bollocks.

It's been here long before you were on the scene and it'll be here long after you've left.
I'm certainly more interested in what 20 year olds are coming up with nowadays because they are able to see the scene from new perspectives.

Without experimentation and new ideas, the whole thing becomes completely stale and leads to the old argument of 'it's not as good as it used to be'.

What exactly is it that the 20 year olds are missing out on about the scene?

'Losing yourself' in the music is something humans have done for centuries and I don't see how taking E's in a field in the late 80's/early 90's makes your experience somehow superior to the excitement a young person may feel when first being introduced to the dance scene today.

I used to act like an utter penis in regards to trying to 'educate' people in what was, essentially, just me trying to impose my tastes on everybody else in the mistaken belief that I was somehow right.

I guess it really depends on what you want to do Gaz?

Do you want to 'educate' people, or do you want to build something that works?

This must seem a bit rich coming from a man who has always tried to keep things obscure and challenging, but the fact I get simply overlooked, or given early sets in backrooms must be testament to that - even though I've been told numerous times that I'm wasted in Carlisle.

The point I'm making here is that even though passion, enthusiasm and commitment to your own beliefs and tastes are highly commendable, they have to be in line with the tastes of many to stand a chance of any real success.

no no no no,you have taken it the wrong way Tim.

yourself and yatesy will get a set,its just i want to try otherthings first you must understand that,imm not arrogant in saying we are wasted its true we are all wasted here inclucding yourselfs and its probs not gonna change for a long time yet and at my age i aint waitng around!!!

with saying that 20 somethings,i meant that i find it hard to understand that they know the music is most probs a bit harsh on my accounts sorry.

fact most of the younger one here would rather go to mood or T1 to listen to the junk it really is that black and white.

Also, just to be pedantic, the yanks don't class all house as techno, they seem to class all forms of electronic music as 'techno'.

Yanks class all techno music as "house" not the other way round. And were you not in your nappies whilst I was getting whacked with a truncheon in my failed demonstration?

And I thought all the detroit, chicago dj's credited Kraftwerk with the birth of electronic music. but hey what do they know!

And just for the record there hasn't been any new dance music for about 15 years, its all been sampled again and again. Until a new machine is invented it will always be basically the same stuff regurgitated.

Drum & Bass and Dubstep spring to mind as far as new forms go in the past 15 years, and if I really want to be a twat I could suggest that house music is just a mutated form of disco, the birth of electronic music started with the likes of John Cage who preceded Kraftwerk by about 30 years, and, even though it's rarely admitted, if you really want to hear a main influence in Detroit techno, then listen to the sounds of electronic pop music that came from cities like Sheffield in the early 80's.

I was just making a point, but it seems that you've had to resort to name calling to justify yourself.

Oh, and as far as the yanks go, I will concede that it is perhaps a generalisation that ALL of them call house techno or vice versa, but I could highlight my point when I've talked about them calling all forms of electronic music as 'Techno' and take the line "Nobody listens to Techno" from that Eminem tune where he uses it in the context of Moby's music.

You'd think that somebody who actually comes from Detroit would have known the difference?

House and Techno may not have survived if it hadn't been adopted by Europe, as the 4/4 strains of modern dance music still have its roots in disco which, when the market had been completely saturated and the Americans finally realised it came from the black/gay underground scene of the 1970's, decided to turn their backs on the genre and declare 'Disco Sucks'.

This attitude has stayed in the American consciousness since the early 80's and it was through this that disco went back underground and became House, which, eventually led to the Belleville three (Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson) to create an intellectualised and more experimental version of 4/4 structured dance music (even though early seminal releases such as Cybotron's 'Clear' didn't actually use the 4/4 beat which later became synonymous with Techno) .

The term 'Techno' can be defined as 'music made solely by machines', and as a result, my argument was that the majority of Americans who have not been exposed to dance culture take this and name all forms of electronic music as Techno.

Make of it what you will.

I had a brilliant night at spirit last night in carlisle. Jus what the quack ordered. The guys who put the partys on there should hold there heads up high, Music was awesome and great production. Just a shame father van lierop and his cronies thought they owned the bit.

Nearly all the nights at :spirit: are decently organised, LemonFactory, Statik, Lockdown, Retro and the other occasionals...

Its upto the people to decide wether they come or not to them...

Noticed VL and half of Carlisle's bouncers downstairs when I left at 4, tho they were just in for a late drink...